# Actions menu within menu - a multilevel Actions menu
**URL:** https://community.mp3tag.de/t/actions-menu-within-menu-a-multilevel-actions-menu/44859
**Category:** General Discussion
**Created:** [March 15, 2019, 3:09pm UTC](https://community.mp3tag.de/t/actions-menu-within-menu-a-multilevel-actions-menu/44859 "2019-03-15T15:09:39Z")
**Posts on this page:** 13
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### Author:  [@Zerow](https://community.mp3tag.de/u/Zerow)
#### Post date: [March 15, 2019, 3:09pm UTC](https://community.mp3tag.de/t/actions-menu-within-menu-a-multilevel-actions-menu/44859/1 "2019-03-15T15:09:39Z")
I was just trying to that on my own and then tried to find info about that in the online help and searched for posts- and failed. So here it goes:
Is it possible to create [sub]menu within a menu for Action Groups? To have a tree of menus for Actions?
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### Author:  [@LyricsLover](https://community.mp3tag.de/u/LyricsLover)
#### Post date: [March 15, 2019, 3:34pm UTC](https://community.mp3tag.de/t/actions-menu-within-menu-a-multilevel-actions-menu/44859/2 "2019-03-15T15:34:06Z")
This search results doesn't help?
> [@Action Submenus](https://community.mp3tag.de/t/action-submenus/19291):
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> I discovered that I accidently created an empty submenu in my Actions list so I realized it was possible I could not find it in the documentation, but Googling I found: [Action Goup](https://community.mp3tag.de/t/action-goup/19056/) While I personally find the technique a little counter intuitive, it works well using the actions dropdown Suggestion - if it's not in the documentation, it should be added since it's very useful Suggestion - if it IS in the documentation, it should be made a little more prominent Suggestion - what would be much…
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> [@Submenus in actions and tools](https://community.mp3tag.de/t/submenus-in-actions-and-tools/12331):
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> Ever since I accidentally discovered that a # in a custom action name will split it into a submenu, I've been using it to create submenus for my actions. Is there any way to do that for tools? I know tools are stored differently than actions, but trying my luck anyway slight_smile Is it possible to fiddle with tools.ini, maybe?
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> [@Action Goup](https://community.mp3tag.de/t/action-goup/19056):
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> Like most users I would think I have multiple actions that are applied to different files and therefore have multiple action "GROUPS" created using my actions. What I am suggesting is this...Is there a possibility of creating an "ACTION GROUP" drop down either in addition to the Action drop down menu or a button? I am aware that these Action Groups are available via a sub menu of the Actions drop down just wondering if perhaps they could be moved more towards the forefront for ease of access o…
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### Author:  [@Zerow](https://community.mp3tag.de/u/Zerow)
#### Post date: [March 15, 2019, 5:52pm UTC](https://community.mp3tag.de/t/actions-menu-within-menu-a-multilevel-actions-menu/44859/3 "2019-03-15T17:52:03Z")
What I need is
- Action Group 1
- Action Group 2
- Menu
- Menu \> Action Group 3
- Menu \> Action Group 4
- Menu \> Sub-Menu
- Menu \> Sub-Menu \> Action Group 5
- Menu \> Sub-Menu \> Action Group 6
- Menu \> Sub-Menu \> Action Group 7
- Menu \> Action Group 8
- Action Group 9
- Action Group 10
So in order to get to the `Action Group 5` I would need to unfold first the `Menu` and unfold within it the `Sub-Menu`
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### Author:  [@vilsen](https://community.mp3tag.de/u/vilsen)
#### Post date: [March 16, 2019, 5:48pm UTC](https://community.mp3tag.de/t/actions-menu-within-menu-a-multilevel-actions-menu/44859/4 "2019-03-16T17:48:19Z")
Incidentally, I've been meaning to suggest this feature for some time.
Some of my fold-out menus have been growing and are now higher than the height of my 24" screen, so I need to scroll up and down to reach the actions. Some of the fold-outs are actually several times higher than the screen, which means a lot of scrolling. So here I would have use of additional fold-outs to sort into sub-menus to cut down the height.
Besides the scrolling, with many items in the fold-out you lose the visual overview of the actions - the list is simply too long. I "fix" this by using fake actions as dividers - but those dividers add up to make the menu even higher, so I try to not use them too much. Additional fold-outs would solve this visual issue too.
An additional fold-out would also be nice for various sorting purposes, e.g.
`Actions > Composer > C > Camille Saint-Saëns`
`Actions > Genre+Style > Jazz > Bebop`
(I use actions to set up specific rules for some fields, hence the combo of genre+style)
Perhaps an additional fold-out separator (e.g. #, ## or §) could be used/implemented?
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### Author:  [@Zerow](https://community.mp3tag.de/u/Zerow)
#### Post date: [March 16, 2019, 8:14pm UTC](https://community.mp3tag.de/t/actions-menu-within-menu-a-multilevel-actions-menu/44859/5 "2019-03-16T20:14:34Z")
> [@vilsen](#):
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> Perhaps an additional fold-out separator (e.g. #, ## or §) could be used/implemented?
Unfortunately `§` is a sign not present on a keyboard, so it would not be convenient to utilize. This goes also for others not present on a standard hardware; unless in Actions Groups window an icon `New Menu` will be implemented, that would automatically add some unusual character [like that paragraph sign] to the beginning of the group's name
But something as simple as using double number of hashtags to indicate a second level seems logical, three for third and so on- and will work for now. Or just a single marker [still `#`] after a pause [a instance of it, a third instance and so on]
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But I personally would like to be able to utilize hashtags to denote numbers in my actions- so I would like current menu markers to be changed into a different character. Something like `@` is probably used less by most users than `#`. This additional change could be spanned over the course of months, i.e. both `#` and `@` would do the trick [would work in the exact same way], with the hashtag stopping to work in let's say version 3.0
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And on the side note: is the fold-out a proper term? I am not a native English speaker thus I did not know how else I could search post concerning this issue
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### Author:  [@vilsen](https://community.mp3tag.de/u/vilsen)
#### Post date: [March 18, 2019, 12:15am UTC](https://community.mp3tag.de/t/actions-menu-within-menu-a-multilevel-actions-menu/44859/6 "2019-03-18T00:15:07Z")
> [@Zerow](#):
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> And on the side note: is the fold-out a proper term? I am not a native English speaker thus I did not know how else I could search post concerning this issue
It's one "proper" term among others. I use it because it makes a better illustration than just "sub-menu" in this case (I think). But it's probably not the most common term.
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### Author:  [@vilsen](https://community.mp3tag.de/u/vilsen)
#### Post date: [March 20, 2019, 9:53am UTC](https://community.mp3tag.de/t/actions-menu-within-menu-a-multilevel-actions-menu/44859/7 "2019-03-20T09:53:27Z")
Could this topic be moved to the General Discussion category, please?
It has evolved to a feature suggestion - it would be unfortunate if it was forgotten in the wrong section.
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Addendum: Thank you!
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### Author:  [@Florian](https://community.mp3tag.de/u/Florian)
#### Post date: [April 5, 2019, 3:00pm UTC](https://community.mp3tag.de/t/actions-menu-within-menu-a-multilevel-actions-menu/44859/8 "2019-04-05T15:00:50Z")
I've added support for nested action menus with [Mp3tag v2.94c](https://community.mp3tag.de/t/455) Development Build. The delimiter for menus and sub menus is `#` in the action group name.
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### Author:  [@vilsen](https://community.mp3tag.de/u/vilsen)
#### Post date: [April 6, 2019, 1:12pm UTC](https://community.mp3tag.de/t/actions-menu-within-menu-a-multilevel-actions-menu/44859/9 "2019-04-06T13:12:10Z")
Thank you very much, Florian!
I updated my actions just now, and instantly felt that the nesting will make a big difference. No more scrolling, and the visual overview is 10 times better in my case - no exaggeration!
On top of that, I noticed that the number of sub-menus seems unlimited too!
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### Author:  [@Zerow](https://community.mp3tag.de/u/Zerow)
#### Post date: [April 6, 2019, 3:13pm UTC](https://community.mp3tag.de/t/actions-menu-within-menu-a-multilevel-actions-menu/44859/10 "2019-04-06T15:13:15Z")
Yes, it works; thanks a lot!
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All of those years of using Mp3tag I thought that this feature was already present in it as for me it was so obvious. And only now was I stunned to find out that I could not find any reference to it- even as a suggestion made by someone else
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If you Florian will have too much time some day then you could rethink the delimiter. As I stipulated before, `#` is widely used to denote number. So now we now we still can put numbers but are unable to make them stand out by proceeding them with a hashtag
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### Author:  [@vilsen](https://community.mp3tag.de/u/vilsen)
#### Post date: [April 9, 2019, 3:48pm UTC](https://community.mp3tag.de/t/actions-menu-within-menu-a-multilevel-actions-menu/44859/11 "2019-04-09T15:48:24Z")
I find that I appreciate the new nesting feature a lot - so much that I want to utilize the Actions for new purposes. I could easily reach 1000+ Action Groups if I wanted.
But before I go ahead, I'd like to know:
1. Is there an explicit limit of Action Groups?
2. Has anyone experienced performance issues caused by having many Actions/Action Groups?
Currently I have about 500 Action Groups and no performance issues at all. Mp3tag starts swiftly and the Action menus fold out instantly (I use a core2duo for tagging).
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### Author:  [@Florian](https://community.mp3tag.de/u/Florian)
#### Post date: [April 10, 2019, 12:46pm UTC](https://community.mp3tag.de/t/actions-menu-within-menu-a-multilevel-actions-menu/44859/12 "2019-04-10T12:46:25Z")
> [@vilsen](#):
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> Is there an explicit limit of Action Groups?
Yes. The current limit is 2000 action groups.
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### Author:  [@system](https://community.mp3tag.de/u/system)
#### Post date: [May 17, 2019, 6:24pm UTC](https://community.mp3tag.de/t/actions-menu-within-menu-a-multilevel-actions-menu/44859/14 "2019-05-17T18:24:49Z")
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