# Can I have a SortOrder AND a DisplayOrder?

**URL:** https://community.mp3tag.de/t/can-i-have-a-sortorder-and-a-displayorder/50418
**Category:** Support
**Created:** [October 10, 2020, 6:07am UTC](https://community.mp3tag.de/t/can-i-have-a-sortorder-and-a-displayorder/50418 "2020-10-10T06:07:15Z")
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### Author: ![LyricsLover](https://community.mp3tag.de/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/l/c6cbf5/32.png) [@LyricsLover](https://community.mp3tag.de/u/LyricsLover)
#### Post date: [October 10, 2020, 9:53am UTC](https://community.mp3tag.de/t/can-i-have-a-sortorder-and-a-displayorder/50418/2 "2020-10-10T09:53:55Z")

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Unfortunately there is no fully automated way to achieve this.  
What you need are this 3 additional tags:  
ALBUMARTISTSORT  
ARTISTS \<- (ARTIST with S)  
ARTISTSORT

 ![AlbumArtistSort](https://community.mp3tag.de/uploads/default/original/2X/b/b515fcf64b63cd571ace5a0f188cd9b3277711c9.png)

As you can see in the above example for the Artists:  
`Lucio Bukowski, Anton Serra & Hippocampe Fou`  
there is no way to know for sure, what is the first name, the last name and what's a not changeable group name.  
You have to manually decide if `Lucio Bukowski` becames `Bukowski, Lucio` and if `Hippocampe Fou` remains `Hippocampe Fou`  
The only possible way (other then manually add the correct names) is to use a source like MusicBrainz where this sort names are already available for some albums/releases. The tagging program [Picard](https://picard.musicbrainz.org/) from MB is one of the tools who can help you to achieve your goal.

BTW: The available MB [WebSourcesScript](https://community.mp3tag.de/t/ws-musicbrainz-xml-webservice/3591) collect "only" the following tags:

 ![WebsourceMetadataMB](https://community.mp3tag.de/uploads/default/original/2X/7/7158ecbcb41691cdea24ff3b1c13b3aaea597a12.png)

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