# Missing Support for ID3 v2.4.0
**URL:** https://community.mp3tag.de/t/missing-support-for-id3-v2-4-0/2823
**Category:** General Discussion
**Created:** [January 24, 2006, 3:03pm UTC](https://community.mp3tag.de/t/missing-support-for-id3-v2-4-0/2823 "2006-01-24T15:03:45Z")
**Posts on this page:** 11
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### Author:  [@Sebastian\_Mares](https://community.mp3tag.de/u/Sebastian_Mares)
#### Post date: [February 24, 2006, 9:59pm UTC](https://community.mp3tag.de/t/missing-support-for-id3-v2-4-0/2823/21 "2006-02-24T21:59:21Z")
Exccellent!
Two things:
1. Are there any plans for supporting ID3v2.4 tags at the end of a file (reading and writing)?
2. Maybe writing of ID3v2.3 ISO-8859-1 tags should be the default setting. Otherwise, you might have 50 posts in the next few days started by people complaining that software XYZ is not able to read tags after they were modified by MP3Tag.
Again, excellent work Florian! 🙂
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### Author:  [@Florian](https://community.mp3tag.de/u/Florian)
#### Post date: [February 24, 2006, 10:09pm UTC](https://community.mp3tag.de/t/missing-support-for-id3-v2-4-0/2823/22 "2006-02-24T22:09:25Z")
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> Are there any plans for supporting ID3v2.4 tags at the end of a file (reading and writing)?
I think not at the moment. The problem is that no application supports that (except of Frontah to my knowledge). I know that someone has to make the first step to support this, but I'm not sure if Mp3tag will be the first - we'll see 🙂
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> Maybe writing of ID3v2.3 ISO-8859-1 tags should be the default setting. Otherwise, you might have 50 posts in the next few days started by people complaining that software XYZ is not able to read tags after they were modified by MP3Tag.
The problem with enabling ISO-8859-1 by default is, that characters which are not part of this character set will not be written to the file. dano suggested to test this internally and write UTF-16 tags if the conversion won't be lossless, but I still had no time to implement this.
Anyway, it would be great if users who have problems with other apps, ask their developers to support ID3v2.4 with UTF-8 too.
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> Again, excellent work Florian!
Thank you 🙂
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### Author:  [@klaasklever](https://community.mp3tag.de/u/klaasklever)
#### Post date: [February 27, 2006, 2:49pm UTC](https://community.mp3tag.de/t/missing-support-for-id3-v2-4-0/2823/23 "2006-02-27T14:49:09Z")
Yes, VERY good job, big thx from me too 
As for appended v2.4 Tags - I don't like these, no one supports them
and there's a better alternative (APEv2). So no hurry needed
in that direction 😉
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### Author:  [@nografix](https://community.mp3tag.de/u/nografix)
#### Post date: [April 20, 2006, 4:38pm UTC](https://community.mp3tag.de/t/missing-support-for-id3-v2-4-0/2823/24 "2006-04-20T16:38:01Z")
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> As for appended v2.4 Tags - I don't like these, no one supports them
> and there's a better alternative (APEv2). So no hurry needed
> in that direction 😉
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I see where you come from, since 2.4 doesn't have much support. And yeah, APE are a "better" alternative when it's supported. id3 is just a huge mess.
But I believe appended tags are better for quick tag editing without the need of padding or risk of corrupting the file. I prefer all my tags appended just like all other good tags that are placed at the end like APE, and the original id3v1. Placing id3 tags at the beggining is just time consuming and a pain to edit in large quantities.
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### Author:  [@klaasklever](https://community.mp3tag.de/u/klaasklever)
#### Post date: [April 20, 2006, 6:33pm UTC](https://community.mp3tag.de/t/missing-support-for-id3-v2-4-0/2823/25 "2006-04-20T18:33:58Z")
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> I see where you come from, since 2.4 doesn't have much support. And yeah, APE are a "better" alternative when it's supported. id3 is just a huge mess.
Yes, ID3v2 is hard to implement, bit when it's done properly (as in mp3tag or foobar2000 or in all programs using the TagLib Library) I see no big problem.
Support for ID3v2.4 is increasing (see Winamp), the same cannot be said for
APEv2. And it's more "native" or suited for mp3s since it was designed for mp3s.
I recently got to know that APEs might cause more serious issues for mp3 decoders,
whereas the worst which usually happens with ID3v2 is that the tag is not just read.
APEv2 (sadly) was more like a makeshift solution, which never got player support
outside foobar2000.
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> But I believe appended tags are better for quick tag editing without the need of padding or risk of corrupting the file. I prefer all my tags appended just like all other good tags that are placed at the end like APE, vorbis comment, and the original id3v1. Placing id3 tags at the beggining is just time consuming and a pain to edit in large quantities.
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Appended tags are certainly better, but its so uncommon for v2 tags to be appended
practically nobody supports it, and I think it's unlikely that support for that might grow...
whereas support for the common prepended v2.4 tag type might finally have a real change to catch on in the long run. And this might be as good as it will ever get for mp3s 
Cheers!
Klaas
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### Author:  [@Sebastian\_Mares](https://community.mp3tag.de/u/Sebastian_Mares)
#### Post date: [April 20, 2006, 7:33pm UTC](https://community.mp3tag.de/t/missing-support-for-id3-v2-4-0/2823/26 "2006-04-20T19:33:41Z")
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> APEv2 (sadly) was more like a makeshift solution, which never got player support
> outside foobar2000.
XMPlay also supports APEv2 tags. 😉
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> practically nobody supports it, and I think it's unlikely that support for that might grow...
This is something like a chicken-egg problem. Software developers are not implementing it because it's not widely used - it's not widely used because there is no software. 🙂
While I don't really need padded ID3v2.4 tags, it wouldn't be bad to have them (not now, but in a future version of MP3Tag when Florian has more time). ATM, I am more than happy with what MP3Tag can do and it's by far the best tagger I ever used (and its evolution over the years is amazing, too).
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### Author:  [@klaasklever](https://community.mp3tag.de/u/klaasklever)
#### Post date: [April 20, 2006, 7:42pm UTC](https://community.mp3tag.de/t/missing-support-for-id3-v2-4-0/2823/27 "2006-04-20T19:42:43Z")
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> XMPlay also supports APEv2 tags. 😉
OK 😛
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> This is something like a chicken-egg problem. Software developers are not implementing it because it's not widely used - it's not widely used because there is no software. 🙂
Hehe, that's exactly what it is. What I wanted to make clear is that this
has to be the hardest "part" of ID3v2.4 to get support for in the future.
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> While I don't really need padded ID3v2.4 tags, it wouldn't be bad to have them (not now, but in a future version of MP3Tag when Florian has more time). ATM, I am more than happy with what MP3Tag can do and it's by far the best tagger I ever used (and its evolution over the years is amazing, too).
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Amen. MP3tags feature set at the moment is just  
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### Author:  [@nografix](https://community.mp3tag.de/u/nografix)
#### Post date: [April 21, 2006, 2:51am UTC](https://community.mp3tag.de/t/missing-support-for-id3-v2-4-0/2823/28 "2006-04-21T02:51:35Z")
As Sebastian Mares, I was also aware of XMPlay supporting tags. In fact, it supporting APE was the reason I switched to XMPlay's great audio player (imho the best), and started tagging away everything in APE.
But as soon as I learned programs were finally giving appended ID3V2 tags its merit I'm making the final switch to ID3. And, as klassklever mentioned, it's the intended tag for MP3s.
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> it wouldn't be bad to have them (not now, but in a future version of MP3Tag when Florian has more time). ATM, I am more than happy with what MP3Tag can do and it's by far the best tagger I ever used (and its evolution over the years is amazing, too).
Don't we all like Mp3tag for the same reasons? It's innovative, functional, incredibly simple to use, and always at the top of compatibility. And it keeps evolving to be always better than the rest. No wonder it's the best tagger I've ever seen.
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### Author:  [@nografix](https://community.mp3tag.de/u/nografix)
#### Post date: [April 21, 2006, 3:02am UTC](https://community.mp3tag.de/t/missing-support-for-id3-v2-4-0/2823/29 "2006-04-21T03:02:27Z")
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> Amarok is easily the best player for ANY OS =)
Btw I will have to loudly disagree. XMplay is hands down the best one. 😛 I mean, which player have you seen that can read all tags existing in a file? Certainly not Amarok.
And like Mp3tag, it should be released for Linux. Can I dream of this? 
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> Anyway, it would be great if users who have problems with other apps, ask their developers to support ID3v2.4 with UTF-8 too.
Florian has it in the right direction. 😃
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### Author:  [@omero](https://community.mp3tag.de/u/omero)
#### Post date: [April 21, 2006, 3:38am UTC](https://community.mp3tag.de/t/missing-support-for-id3-v2-4-0/2823/30 "2006-04-21T03:38:47Z")
I'm very very glad to know that my request, has turned into an mp3tag feature.
Thanks Florian.
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### Author:  [@system](https://community.mp3tag.de/u/system)
#### Post date: [April 5, 2022, 9:42am UTC](https://community.mp3tag.de/t/missing-support-for-id3-v2-4-0/2823/31 "2022-04-05T09:42:44Z")
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