# REQUEST: \_ sign in actions sub-lists removal
**URL:** https://community.mp3tag.de/t/request-sign-in-actions-sub-lists-removal/18364
**Category:** General Discussion
**Created:** [October 24, 2016, 4:12pm UTC](https://community.mp3tag.de/t/request-sign-in-actions-sub-lists-removal/18364 "2016-10-24T16:12:16Z")
**Posts on this page:** 7
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### Author:  [@Zerow](https://community.mp3tag.de/u/Zerow)
#### Post date: [October 24, 2016, 4:12pm UTC](https://community.mp3tag.de/t/request-sign-in-actions-sub-lists-removal/18364/1 "2016-10-24T16:12:16Z")
When you create action sub-list by using multiple actions that start the same, like for example
```
TEMPO #& fast
TEMPO #& mediocre
TEMPO #& slowyou will get a list that looks like this [after hovering over the TEMPO group]
_ fast
_ mediocre
_ slow
```
So my question is, why is there this \>\>\_\<\< sign? Why can't I choose how such a list should look, by choosing that first sign [or not choosing any]?
And I can't even make a completely straight line with a
```
TEMPO #& ________ [for the purpose of separating some sections]
```
because that first obligatory one is will be a pixel above those added by me
You make think that this is nothing to be bothered with [it's just one pixel / sign], but I have dozens of actions and a few long and wide sub-lists; which I had to make more graphical in appearance [to speed up my workflow and to eliminate possibility of making errors]
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### Author:  [@ohrenkino](https://community.mp3tag.de/u/ohrenkino)
#### Post date: [October 24, 2016, 4:28pm UTC](https://community.mp3tag.de/t/request-sign-in-actions-sub-lists-removal/18364/2 "2016-10-24T16:28:04Z")
In Menus and other Windows GUI elements, the ampersand & is the indicator for a shortcut key (Alt+).
Sorry, it is a Windows reserved character.
It is the task of a Programmer to distribute the &-characters among the elements of one GUI-item (e.g. Menu, dialogue) so that each shortcut is unique.
If you have the same shortcut several times, you have to press the Atl- combination several times.
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### Author:  [@Zerow](https://community.mp3tag.de/u/Zerow)
#### Post date: [October 25, 2016, 11:29am UTC](https://community.mp3tag.de/t/request-sign-in-actions-sub-lists-removal/18364/3 "2016-10-25T11:29:58Z")
But what does this
&
issue that you speak of have to do with a
\_
showing up at the beginning of each sub-listed action?
There should be none of such indicator of a separate entry, because when you hoover over them that get highlighted anyhow, so you know in what line you are. And if there are many entries [sub-listed actions] that for whatever reason need to be separated, then the user can add fake action [that simply does nothing] in form of lines for example
But when combined, they just look bad
[](https://postimg.org/image/q9lstieg5/)
What for do we need to see all those single "\_" at all?
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### Author:  [@ohrenkino](https://community.mp3tag.de/u/ohrenkino)
#### Post date: [October 27, 2016, 4:45am UTC](https://community.mp3tag.de/t/request-sign-in-actions-sub-lists-removal/18364/4 "2016-10-27T04:45:49Z")
> [@zerow](#):
>
> But what does this
> &
> issue that you speak of have to do with a
> \_
> showing up at the beginning of each sub-listed action?
> ....
> What for do we need to see all those single "\_" at all?
If you look at the first code box in this thread
```
TEMPO #& fast
TEMPO #& mediocre
TEMPO #& slow
```
then you see that you use 2 meta characters in the names of your actions:
the # to create submenus
the & to create keyboard shortcuts.
The Windows convention is to underline keyboard shortcuts in strings.
As you as the creater have supplied a space character behind the &, the space character gets underlined ... and looks like an underscore.
I can see no fault.
If you modify the names of your actions to
```
TEMPO#+ &fast
TEMPO#+ &mediocre
TEMPO#+ &slow
```
You would get the f, m and s underlined and they would serve as a keyboard shortcut.
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### Author:  [@Zerow](https://community.mp3tag.de/u/Zerow)
#### Post date: [October 27, 2016, 4:56pm UTC](https://community.mp3tag.de/t/request-sign-in-actions-sub-lists-removal/18364/5 "2016-10-27T16:56:16Z")
> [@ohrenkino](#):
>
> [...]
> 2 meta characters in the names of your actions:
> the # to create submenus
> the & to create keyboard shortcuts.
>
> The Windows convention is to underline keyboard shortcuts in strings
> [...]
Now I get it. I just did not understand you
So, I have simply some renaming to do
And how on earth I got a notion that I need both
```
#&to create a group, I don't know
```
Are the more options for groups? I do not see in [https://docs.mp3tag.de/actions](https://docs.mp3tag.de/actions) a mentioning of
```
#or
&sign
```
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### Author:  [@ohrenkino](https://community.mp3tag.de/u/ohrenkino)
#### Post date: [October 28, 2016, 5:22am UTC](https://community.mp3tag.de/t/request-sign-in-actions-sub-lists-removal/18364/6 "2016-10-28T05:22:06Z")
See e.g. here: [/t/12183/1](https://community.mp3tag.de/t/12183/1)
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### Author:  [@Zerow](https://community.mp3tag.de/u/Zerow)
#### Post date: [October 28, 2016, 4:18pm UTC](https://community.mp3tag.de/t/request-sign-in-actions-sub-lists-removal/18364/7 "2016-10-28T16:18:06Z")
Thank you, that gives me some options, although I hoped I was missing some more features from Actions