# Title tag in MKV files not shown in Windows Explorer with Icaros extension
**URL:** https://community.mp3tag.de/t/title-tag-in-mkv-files-not-shown-in-windows-explorer-with-icaros-extension/61373
**Category:** Support
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**Created:** [June 25, 2023, 10:50pm UTC](https://community.mp3tag.de/t/title-tag-in-mkv-files-not-shown-in-windows-explorer-with-icaros-extension/61373 "2023-06-25T22:50:26Z")
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### Author:  [@anthony\_smith75](https://community.mp3tag.de/u/anthony_smith75)
#### Post date: [June 25, 2023, 10:50pm UTC](https://community.mp3tag.de/t/title-tag-in-mkv-files-not-shown-in-windows-explorer-with-icaros-extension/61373/1 "2023-06-25T22:50:26Z")
Title tag in MKV files not shown in Windows Explorer. My MKV titles normally show in the windows explorer title column without any issues. If I edit the title in MP3Tag they no longer show in explorer. I can fix the messed up title by replacing it using Propedit. Then works perfectly again. MP3Tag seems to be able to read the messed up titles even though windows explorer can't. Other file types like flac don't seem to be effected. Just MKV.
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### Author:  [@ohrenkino](https://community.mp3tag.de/u/ohrenkino)
#### Post date: [June 26, 2023, 5:56am UTC](https://community.mp3tag.de/t/title-tag-in-mkv-files-not-shown-in-windows-explorer-with-icaros-extension/61373/2 "2023-06-26T05:56:41Z")
Here is a thread from an internet search that claims that the Windows Explorer cannot read MKV metadata at all without extra help:
> **[Can I add MKV metadata tags that will show in Windows Explorer?](https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/404892-Can-I-add-MKV-metadata-tags-that-will-show-in-Windows-Explorer)**
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> Before I start, yes, I realize there are things like Icaros that can modify Windows Explorer to show different tags, this doesn't work for my use case.
So I would first investigate the abilities of the Windows Explorer and then check what MP3tag can do.
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### Author:  [@anthony\_smith75](https://community.mp3tag.de/u/anthony_smith75)
#### Post date: [June 26, 2023, 6:30am UTC](https://community.mp3tag.de/t/title-tag-in-mkv-files-not-shown-in-windows-explorer-with-icaros-extension/61373/3 "2023-06-26T06:30:39Z")
I already had Icaros installed and I just updated to latest v3.3. It has not changed the MKV title issue with explorer and MP3Tag. MP3Tag modified MKV titles do not show in Windows Explorer. They do show in MediaInfo app which is interesting. Propedit created Titles work everywhere.
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### Author:  [@LyricsLover](https://community.mp3tag.de/u/LyricsLover)
#### Post date: [June 26, 2023, 6:44am UTC](https://community.mp3tag.de/t/title-tag-in-mkv-files-not-shown-in-windows-explorer-with-icaros-extension/61373/4 "2023-06-26T06:44:52Z")
I can see that some test entries made in Mp3tag will be displayed in VLC, but not in Windows File Explorer 10:
Do you have an example mkv where the TITLE will be displayed in Windows File Explorer?
Could it be that one of the latest Microsoft Updates changed that behaviour?
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### Author:  [@ohrenkino](https://community.mp3tag.de/u/ohrenkino)
#### Post date: [June 26, 2023, 6:55am UTC](https://community.mp3tag.de/t/title-tag-in-mkv-files-not-shown-in-windows-explorer-with-icaros-extension/61373/5 "2023-06-26T06:55:32Z")
I do not think that MP3tag changed the way it writes mkv meta data.
The test bed is the WIndows Explorer plus an extension which are both third party products beyond the controle of MP3tag.
I wonder: how do old files behave? Do they still show the data as before? Or have they also lost the details?
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### Author:  [@poster](https://community.mp3tag.de/u/poster)
#### Post date: [June 26, 2023, 8:02am UTC](https://community.mp3tag.de/t/title-tag-in-mkv-files-not-shown-in-windows-explorer-with-icaros-extension/61373/6 "2023-06-26T08:02:46Z")
> [@ohrenkino](#):
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> So I would first investigate the abilities of the Windows Explorer and then check what MP3tag can do.
I have only few MKV-files and did not add tags to them till now.
I tested ist now and added the title-tag to a mkv-file. In my W10-22H2 without any addons for the explorer the title-tag is shown in the column (if defined) and in the details.
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### Author:  [@anthony\_smith75](https://community.mp3tag.de/u/anthony_smith75)
#### Post date: [June 26, 2023, 8:08am UTC](https://community.mp3tag.de/t/title-tag-in-mkv-files-not-shown-in-windows-explorer-with-icaros-extension/61373/7 "2023-06-26T08:08:07Z")
I use Potplayer and it shows the MP3Tag Titles in the MKV files just as MediaInfo does. I think Potplayer is using MediaInfo. Interesting that the messed up Titles work in some programs and not others. If you download PropEdit you can drag a MKV into it and create your own title for the file. You will see that it shows in Windows Explorer, MediaInfo and MP3Tag, just as it should. Works everywhere!
> **[JMkvpropedit v1.4.3 - Batch GUI for mkvpropedit - Doom9's Forum](https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=163753)**
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> JMkvpropedit v1.4.3 - Batch GUI for mkvpropedit New and alternative a/v containers
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### Author:  [@LyricsLover](https://community.mp3tag.de/u/LyricsLover)
#### Post date: [June 26, 2023, 8:24am UTC](https://community.mp3tag.de/t/title-tag-in-mkv-files-not-shown-in-windows-explorer-with-icaros-extension/61373/8 "2023-06-26T08:24:51Z")
You are right. In a Windows 10 without installed Icaros, I can see the properties TITLE and COMMENT too:
I didn't found the tag for "Untertitel" (maybe SUBTITLE) or "Markierungen" yet.
It seems that Icaros has an issue to display metadata from MKV in Windows File Explorer.
@anthony_smith75 : I suggest to report this issue here:
> **[GitHub - Xanashi/Icaros: Official issue tracker and download location for...](https://github.com/Xanashi/Icaros)**
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> Official issue tracker and download location for Icaros Shell Extensions - GitHub - Xanashi/Icaros: Official issue tracker and download location for Icaros Shell Extensions
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### Author:  [@anthony\_smith75](https://community.mp3tag.de/u/anthony_smith75)
#### Post date: [June 26, 2023, 10:36am UTC](https://community.mp3tag.de/t/title-tag-in-mkv-files-not-shown-in-windows-explorer-with-icaros-extension/61373/9 "2023-06-26T10:36:23Z")
Ok I just disabled Icaros to see if the MKV files with Titles created by MP3Tag work in Windows Explorer as they should. Yes they do work when Icaros is disabled! So will log the issue with Icaros support then, as their good program may well be the issue here.
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### Author:  [@anthony\_smith75](https://community.mp3tag.de/u/anthony_smith75)
#### Post date: [June 26, 2023, 10:49am UTC](https://community.mp3tag.de/t/title-tag-in-mkv-files-not-shown-in-windows-explorer-with-icaros-extension/61373/10 "2023-06-26T10:49:40Z")
Done.
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> MKV Titles edited with MP3Tag don't show in Windows Explorer when Icaros is Enab…led. We could be quick to blame MP3Tag but the MP3Tag edited MKV Titles work perfectly in Windows Explorer when Icaros is disabled. Other programs like MKVToolnix and PropEdit seem to produce Titles that work with Icaros on or off. What is going on here? Have also lodged a support request with MP3Tag.
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> https://community.mp3tag.de/t/title-tag-in-mkv-files-not-shown-in-windows-explorer/61373/8
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### Author:  [@anthony\_smith75](https://community.mp3tag.de/u/anthony_smith75)
#### Post date: [June 26, 2023, 1:07pm UTC](https://community.mp3tag.de/t/title-tag-in-mkv-files-not-shown-in-windows-explorer-with-icaros-extension/61373/11 "2023-06-26T13:07:14Z")
Ok have done some additional research and testing. Some programs like MKVToolNix and PropEdit will write a normal Title Tag. MP3Tag appears to only write Global MKV Tags. Very confusing. Windows Explorer without Icaros (Windows 11 22H2) will read both tag types but prefers global tags. Icaros will only read normal tags and ignores ALL global tags. We need some consistency here! Can we add normal MKV Title tag support to MP3Tag
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### Author:  [@LyricsLover](https://community.mp3tag.de/u/LyricsLover)
#### Post date: [June 27, 2023, 11:13am UTC](https://community.mp3tag.de/t/title-tag-in-mkv-files-not-shown-in-windows-explorer-with-icaros-extension/61373/12 "2023-06-27T11:13:58Z")
Have you already tried the v3.3.1 Beta 1 from [here](https://github.com/Xanashi/Icaros/releases/tag/v3.3.1b1)?
These Changes are listed for MKV
_Added MKV tag parser - MKV tags can now be viewed in File Explorer_
_Fixed cover parsing in MKV files with WEBP or GIF covers embedded_
At least I can see the TITLE tag content in Windows Explorer again.
But all the other tags like ALBUM, GENRE or YEAR are still not visible.
Can you confirm this?
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### Author:  [@anthony\_smith75](https://community.mp3tag.de/u/anthony_smith75)
#### Post date: [June 28, 2023, 1:00pm UTC](https://community.mp3tag.de/t/title-tag-in-mkv-files-not-shown-in-windows-explorer-with-icaros-extension/61373/13 "2023-06-28T13:00:21Z")
Just tested the Icaros 3.31 Beta1. Can confirm the Titles for MKV now work as they do in Windows 11 without Icaros installed. MKV Global tags have priority which is what MP3Tag writes. If there are no global tags then the normal tags are shown. If MKV has both normal and global then MP3Tag shows the newest and updates global tag when changed. Album, Album Artist, Genre, Year, Comments, Bitrate, Bitdepth, AudioTracks, VideoTracks and MANY MORE are working for MKV and FLAC files with Icaros 3.31 installed. Problem seems solved! Much thanks to all.
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### Author:  [@anthony\_smith75](https://community.mp3tag.de/u/anthony_smith75)
#### Post date: [July 1, 2023, 11:58am UTC](https://community.mp3tag.de/t/title-tag-in-mkv-files-not-shown-in-windows-explorer-with-icaros-extension/61373/14 "2023-07-01T11:58:41Z")
Just did Windows Update to Windows 11 22H2. I was on 21H2. Sorry for any confusion as I thought I was already up to date. 22H2 has broke Icaros again. I have disabled it to get the MKV Titles and other tags working in Windows Explorer.
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### Author:  [@system](https://community.mp3tag.de/u/system)
#### Post date: [July 31, 2023, 11:59am UTC](https://community.mp3tag.de/t/title-tag-in-mkv-files-not-shown-in-windows-explorer-with-icaros-extension/61373/15 "2023-07-31T11:59:14Z")
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