Getting all Songs in an "ALBUM"


#5
  1. It was a non-commercial album offered for FREE so that is not an issue (spent 30 years in Business/Legal Affairs in the Entertainment Industry).

  2. I assume I was adding three different fields with the info you suggested, but it didn't work.

What is interesting is there is one set of FOUR songs numbered 1-4 that came up as an album with the title "OTHER" and I have no idea how that happened.

Thanks.

NDG


#6

For a proper album you have to fill the following fields each with identical values:
ALBUM
ALBUMARTIST
(and if you have used it: YEAR)
empty fields will lead to unpredictable results.


#7

Please see attached PHOTO. Am I missing something as it didn't work.

THANKS.



#8

The "extended tags" in your dump do not show the field TITLE. TITLE should be filled as well.


#9

IT'S MIDNIGHT here in Los Angeles and I'm quitting for the day?

BUT: I have had much success.

Starting with files I have NOT tried to make into albums, I added all the info in the fields and did a CONVERT TAG - FILENAME and it worked!

I REMOVED all the tags from a set of 19 titles, re-insterted all the information, but came up with 19 different ALBUMS.

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.

Thanks for the support!

NDG



#10

Well, I do not have any practical experiences with such nerve-slayers like the "LG Rumor Touch", but I downloaded the documents "UN510 Rumor Touch Datasheet.pdf" and "UN510 Rumor Touch UG.pdf" from the vendor's support webpage and start reading.

There is nothing said about what ID3 version is supported by the player.
But the given small list of tag-field names leads to the assumption, that basically ID3v1 tag-fields are supported.

So give this a try.

  • Use a small set of test files!!!
  • Setup Mp3tag to read and write write only ID3v1 tags.
  • Setup Mp3tag to remove all other ID3 and APE tag versions.
  • Fill the ID3v1 tag-fields TITLE, ARTIST, ALBUM, GENRE, TRACK with appropriate data.
  • Check the behaviour of the test files with the player.

Come back and report.

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Deleting Songs as ALBUMS / Picture size
#11

Just saw your post but it is 12:15am and I need to go to sleep. Will get back to you soon.

NORM


#12

#13

If your player only knows V1 tags then you won't see any artwork as this is not part of the V1 tag standard. What about the other issues like albums and stuff?


#14

Your description of the test result sounds as you have managed to fill the one and only ID3v1 tag with tag-fields TITLE, ARTIST, ALBUM, GENRE, TRACK with appropriate data without problems.
Does the player handle and display such files correctly?

Basically artwork cannot be involved, because ID3v1 does not support embedded artwork.
It seems so, that the LG Rumor Touch player supports only the ID3v1 tag.

See also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ID3

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#15

First off: THANK YOU THANK YOU for ALL your attempts to help me solve this issue!

My work-around has been to create playlists. These are songs/programs I listen to and then delete (BBC Radio 2, a lot, as well as streaming).

To make it easy, here is a summary of where I'm at:

I tried using only ID3v1 tag and that was a mistake as, was stated, the art work doesn't show up, so I restored the defaults to recognize everything.

I noticed when I put a LED ZEPPLEIN album on the phone (see pic), it included all the variables and shows up as an ALBUM - perfectly.

I only seem to have this issue with ALBUMS I'm creating with MORE than four songs. All the ALBUMS I've created with four songs or less show up as ONE ALBUM, not an ALBUM for each song.

Thanks again.

P.S. I'm still waiting to hear again from LG!

And: I still don't understand WHY if I remove the TAGs, the albums don't disappear.



#16

Where and what are these defaults?
The files? The LG RT?
What is 'recognizing everything'?

It is still not clear, how many problems you are struggling with at the same time.
-There is the problem with the ALBUM combination
(from which I think it has to do with the ALBUM tag-field not proper set).
-There is the problem with the display of embedded artwork
(from which I think it has to do with the unsupported ID3v2.3 tag-type or the SPRINT service)

  • Get rid of the APE tags.

Please show us a screenshot of the Mp3tag Options/Tag/Mpeg dialog.

I do not think, that you have removed any tag-type ID3v2.3 and APE, you have been asked for.
Your last screenshot still displays the usage of these tag-types.
It might be that the LG RT does not take note about the other embedded tag-types and looks stubborn only at the tag-type ID3v1, but it would be helpful for you and your work with Mp3tag, to put the view only to the ID3v1 tag-type (as the first step of your investigations).

Set the Mp3tag Options/Tag/Mpeg dialog to ...

  • Read only ID3v1.
  • Write only ID3v1.
  • Remove all tag-types.
    Check out these options by using small set of test files and re-write/save the only ony tag-type ID3v1
    (all other tag-types will be lost and never be shown in Mp3tag).
    Fill the tag-fields TITLE, ARTIST, ALBUM, GENRE and perhaps TRACK with appropriate data.
    Check it out, whether the LG RT can build proper artist, album, genre lists from the test data.

Please give us a clear statement about your tests on the LG Rumor Touch using mp3 files having only ID3v1 Tag-Type data.

Please show us a screenshot of the Mp3tag list view of files having set only the ID3v1 tag-type, with filled tag-fields for TITLE, ARTIST, ALBUM, GENRE and perhaps TRACK.
The LG documentation states only the evaluation of these tag-fields.

And keep in mind not to have any connection to the SPRINT service, which might be involved in the background and is able to display artwork and such other things to confuse you.

The zip file contains a set of test files ...
BT.zip (224 KB)

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BT.zip (224 KB)


#17

I'll give that a shot and get back to you. Thanks.


#18

Here is a screen shot with ID3V1 ONLY. That did not create an album and there is NO artwork.

This applies only to the three files I did this with.

This is a very weird situation as if you look at OTHER LISTINGS with v1 and v2 and APE (like the Zeppelin albums and the HOLLIES BBC entries), they worked perfectly showing up on ONE album with all the appropriate entries.

I'm going to try it again with 1 and 2.

NORM



#19

I tried it again with V1 and V2 and NO AP. It added them as individual albums and not getting artwork.

Can't say I'm not trying.

Anybody want to FLY to LA?



#20

What does it mean: "NO AP"?
What files did you or did the LG RT added "as individual albums"?

Why do you complain missing artwork?
The given test files have no embedded artwork because they have only the ID3v1 tag-type.
Therefore and because of the generic values in the given tag-fields, the SPRINT service, if you did not switch it off, cannot find any artwork because of the generic values in the given tag-fields.

The test bed is still on the step where artwork is not the theme.
First of all we need to understand the working of the LG RT, how this device work internally with the given music files.

If the LG RT for itself is able to organize files by their tag-field content, then the given test files should be result into:

  • Artist List with four Artist names: AAA, BBB, CCC, DDD.
  • Album List with four Album names: Album 1, Album 2, Album 3, Album 4.
  • Genre List with three Genre names: Blues, Jazz, Soul.

If you can confirm this result, we could trust the LG RT to work as one might expect it, and we would know for sure, that the LG RT is able to work with ID3v1 tag-type.

The next step would be to use test files having only the ID3v2.3 tag-type to proove the ablitiy of the LG RT working with this tag-type.

Your feedback statements are not satisfying enough to go to a next step.
There is missing a Mp3tag screenshot of the "BT" test files, after transfering them to the LG RT disk drive.
There is missing a detailed description how these files have been treated by the LG RT in terms of organizing into lists of artists, albums, genres.
You give me no chance to help you out of the jungle, if you do not follow a systematic analytical way.

It might be useful for you to search for and contact a LG RT user group.

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#21

HERE are the results of my FINAL stab at this, for now:

  1. I took YOUR BT test files ONLY, which were set with V1 tags only, set the options to read only V1 and not to read V2 or APE (that what AP is) and REMOVE V2 and APE with YOUR settings.

As expected, I got NO artwork, but I also got no ALBUM.

Then, I changed the settings to include V2, added artwork and it showed the artwork, but made no ALBUM.

Then I added back in APEV2 and still got NO ALBUM.

Here is my FINAL take on this:

There is NOTHING wrong with the PHONE as demonstrated by the Zeppelin albums, which have V1, V2 and APEV2 tags - and their songs show up as one ALBUM with ARTWORK.

When I take two to four files that are streams from radio shows with segments lasting 10-15 minutes a piece, that works as ALBUMS.

When I try and take individual songs and make albums, with the SAME SETTINGS and INPUT as the ones that worked (Zeppelin, Springsteen, etc.) I get multiple albums with one song in each ALBUM.

I'm wondering if it is a conflict from streaming them from YOU TUBE or SPOTIFY, etc. which encodes certain information from the start. BUT, if I'm removing their tags and adding my own, why doesn't it work?

For the time being, I'll make ALBUMS out of the radio stuff and PLAYLISTS out of the individual songs, until I figure it out.

Thank you AGAIN for all your assistance, but I'll try and get a friend to show up in person and figure it out, OR, as you suggested, try and find an LG RT group.

Thanks again and happy holidays to all those celebrating MEMORIAL DAY!

NORM



#22

You was not advised to do anything with Mp3tag, but only to copy the already prepared test files to the LG RT drive and let the LG RT do the organizing of the files into its special lists per ARTIST, ALBUM, GENRE.

Probably because you do not know how the LG RT works.

Finally thank you for your feedback.
I extract from your response, that the given ID3v1 test files were entirely not recognized by the LG RT.
That is mysterious or quite right, who knows it for sure?

I think you came to a good solution, let it be as is, let the time heal the wounds, search and find someone who has enough experience about the LG RT and the SPRINT service and about ID3 tagging and eventually about APE tagging and so on.

Good luck and feel free to come back and report about your odyssey.

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#23

[quote name='DetlevD' post='64291']
You was not advised to do anything with Mp3tag, but only to copy the already prepared test files to the LG RT drive and let the LG RT do the organizing of the files into its special lists per ARTIST, ALBUM, GENRE.

I didn't do a THING with the Mp3Tag. I just copied the files to the phone (after turning off the options for V2 and APE). You said to turn them off, didn't you?

If you want to send me the files again, I'll try it a 2nd time, but I don't think it matters.

I'm wondering if when I record the streams VIA REPLAY MUSIC, I should LOOK for a way to turn off their indexing/song info and if that would make a difference and they would be clean(er).

NORM


#24

Above in post #16 I have described a way to prepare test files using Mp3tag for the first test step to make clear whether the LG RT can successfully handle mp3 files with only the ID3v1 tag-type set.
Additionally I have appended a zip file containing a ready made set of test files for instantly use.
As long the zip file will be not removed from the forum post, you can download the zip file as often as you will and use the embedded mp3 test files for tests.
You do not need Mp3tag for copying the test files to the LG RT device, you can do it using the unzipping dialog or the Windows explorer.

You are the owner of the LG RT player and you are the expert for this device, not me.

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