My friend downloaded mp3tag last version (he’s on windows 11)
he added all his file to check
Then I told him to press delete like I usually do to ro Remove (it’s translated “Remove from list” in french btw, much more convenient I think).
Then I saw a windows popup like he was deleting… after clever thinking, we abord the process, but the bad was already done. 30Gb of his 90Gb where deleted, and not even found in the recycle bin.
So what the f*ck happen ? It it a Windows difference problem or did someone in the middle of the devellopement think it was a good idea that “delete” key would now delete file permanently instead of “Remove (from list)".
I use the newest Mp3tag v3.34-beta.4 on Windows 11.
The Del keyboard key only removes the selected files from the File List.
You can refresh the file list with F5 and the removed files reappear.
No files will be physically deleted.
If you really want to delete files, you need to press the menu
Edit -> Delete
and then confirm this message:
As at least @LyricsLover has also found the old behaviour, it would still be necessary to test - the local conditions.
... that
is still to be verified. That deleted objects do not go to the recylce bin first, is a local setting - and that is beyond the control of MP3tag.
Check the properties of the recycle bin for that.
Even though your friend's fait is a pitiable one ... no-one has looked over his shoulder or guided his fingers to reliably tell what really happened.
So far, no-one could reproduce the behaviour.
The only way that deleted files won't be moved to the Recycle Bin is, if:
a) Deletion from removable or non‑NTFS storage
Files deleted from USB sticks, SD cards, external drives, network shares, or any volume not using NTFS are removed permanently because the Recycle Bin is not supported there.
b) Pressing Shift + Delete (in Windows File Explorer, not Mp3tag!)
Using Shift + Delete triggers immediate, unrecoverable deletion and never uses the Recycle Bin.
c) Recycle Bin is full
If the bin has reached its maximum size, Windows permanently deletes the oldest items or the newly deleted file, depending on configuration.
d) Recycle Bin is disabled for that drive
If the Recycle Bin is turned off in the drive’s properties, all deletions on that drive are permanent.
e) File is too large for the Recycle Bin
If a file exceeds the maximum size configured for the bin, Windows deletes it permanently instead of storing it.
You should think before posting; this is a serious problem that requires competent people willing to solve it, not people who simply say, "The problem is you."
a) Folder is on desktop, I guess it’s formated in NTFS
b) not the case here
c) Recycle bin was empty and lot of space left on the hard drive
d) doubt it but gonna check that
e) Nah it’s basic MP3 and FLAC
Agreed.
SO far the tests on your installation has led to the result:
I tested it and Del only clears the list which could be restored with F5 @LyricsLover has tested and found
So: 3 environments show the same behaviour and not the one that you observed at your friend's.
The question is now: what is different in your friend's environment?
No, I do not doubt that the observation is correct. I have my doubts about the conclusion, though.
Did you perhaps tell him to use CTRL-a to mark all files and then remove the files from the list with DEL? Maybe your friend forgot to release the CTRL-Key?
Just tested:
The same "Do you want to delete all selected files?" message box appears as from Edit -> Delete.
And the selected/deleted files will be moved to the Recycle Bin in my case.
I am on the current beta 3.34-beta4 and this unfortunate situation does not occur for me. Pressing the DEL key does not delete the actual files. It only removes them from the list. Same happens if SHIFT+DEL is pressed. All files in my test folder remain safe and sound.
Besides using the Edit toolbar menu and choosing "Delete..." your "Friend" may have used the right-click menu and selected "Delete..." there instead of the desired "Remove" function. This will send the files to the recycle bin.
Unless your local settings are set to do otherwise. This is not something a mp3tag setting can change.
Sorry, but anyone with a 90GB audio collection should have more than one backup, and on a separate drive. This is not a secret and has been recommended too many times here to count. Relying on a single copy of a file in any case is playing with fire. Especially when using a brand new piece of software that is likely not familiar yet. Has their library been stored on a card to use in a portable player? Perhaps shared with somebody else?
I'd say user error, with compounding issues caused by poor Windows option choices.
Absolutely. My 28k+ track library is over 800GB. Besides the core drive with my day-to-day library, I keep a connected backup drive, plus copies on two external USB drives. In addition I have two portable players with SD cards. All are synced on a regular basis. Plus any time I make any significant changes I run a manual backup for all. You can never be too careful.
This is true, but most regular users don’t think about backup unfortunately
We try some software to get the files back. 1rst one was sh*t, 2nd one was itop data recovery and seemed to work (+ you can select only music files), but then I had to take my train to get back to my house so I don’t know what happened then. He told me it didn’t work (but maybe he didn’t choose good option or so) and had to redownload his lost album (at leat he still got the folder names)
. Mine is <500GB, but well over 50,000 tracks. All MP3. Lossless is wasted on my old ears.