Tags: FLAC (FLAC) and FLAC (FLAC ID3v2)

I just scanned my collection of FLAC files and a few have "FLAC (FLAC ID3v2)" in the tag column. Most just have simply "FLAC (FLAC)" listed in the Tag column. What is the difference and how might this have happened?

Typically, it happens in EAC, if you mistakenly leave the "add ID3 tag" option ticked when you rip and encode in FLAC.

The ID3 tags should be removed. You can remove them by re-encoding the files using flac.exe, or you can remove them in Mp3tag in a round-about way by cutting and pasting all tags. Mp3tag won't rewrite the ID3 tag back.

See: /t/9134/1

Make sure you test this first with a very small set of files, and make sure you have backups of your test files.

How do you re-encode with EAC? When I ripped my collection with EAC it created an M3U in the folder and a CUE out of the folder in the main directory folder. Can I do this without having to put the CD in the PC again? One thing I notice about the CUE is that it references the original drive and folder location. I have since put my collection on another drive and folder directory.

Also I'm curious as to why you say that the ID3 tags should be removed?

http://www.head-fi.org/t/408001/still-lear...ed#post_5400863
Read the referred post ... and read some of the other postings ... from the thread "Still learning- Can .FLAC files be ID3 tagged?"... especially the hint ... "You can simply use Mp3tag" ...

Additional informations there ...
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....showtopic=79525

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Here are instructions from this forum: Strip ID3 tags, leave Vorbis tags on FLAC?

Use Ctrl-R (which removes all tagging from the files), then Ctrl-Z (Undo) to paste the tags back into the files from the clipboard. The ID3 tag won't be recreated when you perform the Undo. Again, I'd be careful doing this and would be sure to make a backup of the files beforehand, as well as making sure you test it on a few files first.

Also, Mp3tag does not identify ID3v1 tags in FLAC files.
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Thanks for the links. A quick read and they look like they will be helpful for figuring how to remove the "FLAC (FLAC ID3v2)" tags. I'll re-read them and see what I can do.

Just curious. What will?

Here is a test file ...
FLAC_with_ID3_Tags.zip (173 KB)
The filename is:
"Noise.with.ID3v1.ID3v2.Tags.FLAC"
This file has a ID3v2.4 tag prepended and a ID3v1 tag appended.

Load this file into Mp3tag.
Use menu or keyboard [Ctrl]+[X] to remove both ID3 tags and the FLAC tag (cut out to clipboard).
Use menu or keyboard [Ctrl]+[V] to insert the FLAC tag (copy from clipboard).

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FLAC_with_ID3_Tags.zip (173 KB)

I use ExifTool.
It is a powerful command-line application that can read the metadata in many types of files.
There is a steep learning curve.
It is used extensively by the digital photography community to read and write image files but does not write to audio files.

Yes it work. Thanks for your help!

I realize this is an ancient topic but this solution does not work for me. ctrl+x does remove the tags and put them to the clipboard but only the FLAC tags. I can see the ID3v2 left behind in the tag column and once I ctrl+v the clipboard contents back I end up with FLAC ID3v2 tags again.
The only way to rid the ID3v2 tags is to re-encode those flac files.

It just feels wrong.

See the settings in Tools>Options>Tags>Mpeg whether you remove ID3V2 tags at all.

Oii. ok. I did some wikiing but help me out a bit, will ya?

under MPEG Read everything is ticked, that looks about right to me. under write only ID3v2 is ticked (so the newest mp3 tag thing, makes sense too) but APEv2 is unticked. why? cause I dont need to write APE tags to mp3, right?

under APE Write none is ticked. wouldnt I want to write APEv2 to APE files? and under Remove, ID3v2 is not ticked, why not?

also, where is the VORBIS Comments section? if I understood this correctly, FLAC uses Vorbis Comments to tag, right? is the MPEG section covering FLAC too?

finally, if I want to remove the ID3v2 tags I need to tick this box in the MPEG Remove section, right? why wasnt this selected by default in the first place? just trying to make sure there would be a reason for me to no remove ID3v2...

Yes.

Who could have modified these settings? A newly installed MP3tag has all ID3 tag versions and treatments enabled ... so it must have been someone with access to your computer.
The much more interesting question would be: where in your workflow did you get flac files that have been tagged also with non-standard ID3 tags instead of only flac vorbis comments?
This I would investigate and check whether there are more files tagged like this.

who knows. probably me like years ago. when I understood even less than now.

who knows 2. it doesnt really matter anymore. my workflow and sources are fine now. it's only getting rid of those pesky tags for less than 5% of the files.
some I just reget. others I run through foobar to get rid. using mp3tag cut/paste even with the mpeg setting above enabled just doesnt work here. nevermind though.

it was ME! ah well, I have an automated way of removing those pesky id3 tags. thanks